Manitoba Métis reach deal on hunting and fishing rights

[four_420_twenty]

my dads tried for 3 years to get a elk tag. no go.

[kawibrute750]

i know of at least 10 "new" (just got the card because they could) metis hunters in my area who are bragging about all the hunting and game they can bag now in our area, funny they used to hunt and abide by "our" rules with no issues back when they had to but now they brag about all the fish they can keep and that they "now" have to shoot 2 deer per family member to put food on their plates, and get a moose per family member (9 out of the 10 never moose hunted before), funny, these same people have day jobs with incomes of $60000 plus a year and they need the "metis" right to put food on their table?

wtf people, give your heads a shake, this is out of control already, there are those who do need it but also more of those that will and are abusing it because they can, well goodbye deer and moose in my area, anyone want to buy some guns that i will have no use for in a couple years?

just a side note, a normal hunter cannot legaly store their kill with a metis harvester's kill, nor can they hunt with a metis harvester who is exercising their "right".

[HRL]

If you aren't treaty, you aren't treaty. Plain and simple. I have a Metis card as well as a harvesters card. My wife has one as well....we are the whitest people you will ever meet. I got mine to prove how flawed this system really is....I have never lived off the land nor have I needed to. My "connection" to anything remotely aboriginal is so far removed it's laughable. Yet, according to supreme court rulings I can now go on a basically free for all hunting and fishing trip every time I fell the need to thumb my nose at any type of conservation effort.

For the record, I follow the rules. But there are thousands of what I refer to as "overnight Indians" that don't because they feel they have the right. It's complete and absolute bullshit. The whole notion that people like myself need to hunt and fish to survive is a joke.

The Powley case, which most of this nonsense is based on is one of the biggest travesties of justice ever in this country. The two family members were 1/256 and 1/128 aboriginal....wow, that's pretty tight ties to your ancestral roots.






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[polarisoutlaw]

this may be a bit off topic but as far as im concerned all handouts need to stop, if you want to live here get a job, (unless you are physiacally incapable) , and pay taxes, just think of how much better our econamy would be, never mind how much nicer of place it would be to live in with tax dollars going to places they should example: road repairs, maintaing roadways and heck maybe the stadium would be finished etc etc, this is not aimed at one race/ religion , but all people wanting to live here in canada

[four_420_twenty]

Originally Posted by HRL

If you aren't treaty, you aren't treaty. Plain and simple. I have a Metis card as well as a harvesters card. My wife has one as well....we are the whitest people you will ever meet. I got mine to prove how flawed this system really is....I have never lived off the land nor have I needed to. My "connection" to anything remotely aboriginal is so far removed it's laughable. Yet, according to supreme court rulings I can now go on a basically free for all hunting and fishing trip every time I fell the need to thumb my nose at any type of conservation effort.

For the record, I follow the rules. But there are thousands of what I refer to as "overnight Indians" that don't because they feel they have the right. It's complete and absolute bullshit. The whole notion that people like myself need to hunt and fish to survive is a joke.

The Powley case, which most of this nonsense is based on is one of the biggest travesties of justice ever in this country. The two family members were 1/256 and 1/128 aboriginal....wow, that's pretty tight ties to your ancestral roots.






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so i can prolly get one then. i never hunt, but am curious to see if i can get one now. id much prefer not paying taxes on gas and smokes but whatcha gonna do

[gkram1985]

^^^me too, although I hunt and fish, so the new limits could really benefit and taking home 50 lbs of walleye back from the lake would kick ass

[TRX 500]

Originally Posted by Robsportsman800

obviously everyone here knows nothing about this..... pisses me off that people talk shit without knowing the facts. I have had my harvesters card for almost 4 years now and have yet to use it for hunting. i use it for fishing. But EVERYONE *****ES that hunting is going to go to shit because of this. Just to educate people on this. Each Metis person is given 2 DEAR, 1 ELK, 1 MOOSE, 1 CARIBOU AND 1 BEAR TAG. thats it for the year.. Also every card holder stills pays a conservation trust fund payment every year just to have the card sticker validated. This isnt something new that just happened its been in the works for a long time already.

To fill people in also we have limits we can have in posession such as 50 lbs of fish. Like i stated i set a net for fishing. I am allowed 1 net in the water. this card doesnt give us free reign. to set a net i still need to contact conservation and fill out a paper to recieve a number for conservation to identify my net when in the water and so they know who is fishing what area.

I just thought i would post as everyone seems to just want to ***** about this. its nothing new and not everyone is going to abuse the system. we all know its just not indian or metis people who poach. come on.

and 4MULA alot of people still hunt to survive NOT just in the "FAR REACHES OF THE NORTH" my grandpa is 85 and still hunts duck in the fall, fishes in the winter, traps in the spring and has cattle. he lives off the land and is only 25 min from portage and 50 min from winnipeg. there is still tradition in this stuff

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I see your point, but I am not allowed to fish with a net whether or not I tell conservation...why do you have the right to do so???

[TRX 500]

Get up...go to work...come home...get up...go to work...come home...wait for hunting season, pay for a tag for each individual animal, hunt within legal times, and dates...get up.. go to work...go home....why the hell should it be so different for anyone else...some get to sleep in, recieve check in mail...go hunting...fishing..with whatever they want at any time of the day or night, when ever the hell they want....WHY!?? I say you want YOUR land..come and get it then...I go to work everyday..I was born and raised here, worked every dam day of my life that I was able to..to enjoy the fun things in life..and I have to abide by all rules and regulations...I am Native to this land, my mom and dad created me on this very land, that they worked for to pay for to provide for me...why the hell should anyone else get treated different?????

[Grizzlypeg]

Sometimes the law gets it wrong, and what is the law, doesn't make it right. Judges will follow the train of legal reasoning right over the edge of a cliff, if that's where it leads them.

[Featherman]

Originally Posted by boakley

I respectfully disagree. Adding potentially 100,000 new hunters (as reported in the WFP) who are allowed 8+ animlas each per year and bascially unlimited fish regardless of size, species by net (as reported by what seems to be a very knowledable member of TS) is a hugely important subject.

Lock people who are unruly but the topic is a hot topic and an important topic to many many people. No discussion / no change / no opinions shared with the powers to be would be a bad thing.

So discussion is good.... the topic is relavent and a good topic... ban bad users/trolls/thread hogs but stopping discussion I think is wrong.

I agree.....................this discussion was warranted decades ago. Maybe not in/on this forum but it has to be had.

[NascarManiac]

AS TS members we should start a petition....if there are as many people who are against this, we should speak up to our MP and/or MLA

[gkram1985]

Problem is there ain't 100000 TS members, and I'm sure if that federation found out some people were going to try to put a stop to this giving everybody special rights that they'd have every one of those 100000 ppl come fight for rights some may never care to use

[Featherman]

Originally Posted by gkram1985

Problem is there ain't 100000 TS members, and I'm sure if that federation found out some people were going to try to put a stop to this giving everybody special rights that they'd have every one of those 100000 ppl come fight for rights some may never care to use

Someone is getting the idea......................the discussion should not be about Rights and who has what type of access, it should be about managing the reources into the future. The Supreme Court has already determined the priority when it comes to who has access and how.

[Honda450s]

Originally Posted by Robsportsman800

obviously everyone here knows nothing about this..... pisses me off that people talk shit without knowing the facts. I have had my harvesters card for almost 4 years now and have yet to use it for hunting. i use it for fishing. But EVERYONE *****ES that hunting is going to go to shit because of this. Just to educate people on this. Each Metis person is given 2 DEAR, 1 ELK, 1 MOOSE, 1 CARIBOU AND 1 BEAR TAG. thats it for the year.. Also every card holder stills pays a conservation trust fund payment every year just to have the card sticker validated. This isnt something new that just happened its been in the works for a long time already.

To fill people in also we have limits we can have in posession such as 50 lbs of fish. Like i stated i set a net for fishing. I am allowed 1 net in the water. this card doesnt give us free reign. to set a net i still need to contact conservation and fill out a paper to recieve a number for conservation to identify my net when in the water and so they know who is fishing what area.

I just thought i would post as everyone seems to just want to ***** about this. its nothing new and not everyone is going to abuse the system. we all know its just not indian or metis people who poach. come on.

and 4MULA alot of people still hunt to survive NOT just in the "FAR REACHES OF THE NORTH" my grandpa is 85 and still hunts duck in the fall, fishes in the winter, traps in the spring and has cattle. he lives off the land and is only 25 min from portage and 50 min from winnipeg. there is still tradition in this stuff

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nicely put!!

[LeCaptain]

Originally Posted by rayf

absolutely, then build teepee, traditional right? you said it,


"In the Treaties, the Indians were assured they would be allowed to continue to live as they've always lived.


now i gonna go fishing in my traditional 18ft boat with 175 horses kickin off the back and prob cost $150 for the day, for only 4 walleye!!! <<<haha stupid white man, but at least my son will hopefully be able to experience fishing as i have with my effort of conservation

You sir, are part of the reason that racism runs rampant in this country. Instead of fighting with people who have had nothing to do with this law, why dont you put your negative feelings to good use and turn that frown upside down? :)

I sure hope you're not teaching your son your way of thinking. This way of thinking has done nothing to improve any type of relations for anyone. To pass this negative view onto younger generations is gonna solve what exactly? It's the gov that enacted these laws, not Rob or Featherman or anyone else on here.

I am of metis decent as well, but I choose not to get a card. There are 100000 metis people that this apparently affects, but it doesnt mean all of them are going to harvest the max or even use the card.

I'm not trying to be a saint, I just cant stand the friggen racism. There is no need for it. Who cares if they can get an extra deer? There are many bigger and better things to worry about then if your neighbor is allowed one more deer than you during hunting season.

[Grizzlypeg]

I hate to say it, but asking for rights that by-pass conservation efforts drives a wedge between people.

[rayf]

Originally Posted by LeCaptain

You sir, are part of the reason that racism runs rampant in this country. Instead of fighting with people who have had nothing to do with this law, why dont you put your negative feelings to good use and turn that frown upside down? :)

I sure hope you're not teaching your son your way of thinking. This way of thinking has done nothing to improve any type of relations for anyone. To pass this negative view onto younger generations is gonna solve what exactly? It's the gov that enacted these laws, not Rob or Featherman or anyone else on here.

I am of metis decent as well, but I choose not to get a card. There are 100000 metis people that this apparently affects, but it doesnt mean all of them are going to harvest the max or even use the card.

I'm not trying to be a saint, I just cant stand the friggen racism. There is no need for it. Who cares if they can get an extra deer? There are many bigger and better things to worry about then if your neighbor is allowed one more deer than you during hunting season.

You effing serious? Racism card? Geez this has nothing to do with racism, guess I should have said "stupid man of european decent" just to be politically correct. Thanks for the kind words ha

[Robsportsman800]

grizzlypeg.... what do you mean "I hate to say it, but asking for rights that by-pass conservation efforts drives a wedge between people"???

we work with conservation... to get my tags i have to fill out paperwork that says what area i am hunting in or planning to hunt in, we also pay towards a "CONSERVATION TRUST FUND" every year just to have the card. $25 a year doesnt sound like much but say only 10 000 people get the card.. alot wont use it for big game as i havent in 4 years. but thats still $250 000 going to consevation every year. now if all 100 000 people get it well consevation is doing good... in fact i wouldnt doubt if conservation wants everyone to get the card because they know how many people wont actually use it besides fishing with a rod and reel. Conservation has been working with the metis on this for longer than its been made public.

maybe people should stop assuming they know whats actually going on. get a constitution of harvesting book and read it. This card does not give the average person much of an advantage.. maybe some are going to abuse it but in my family none of my cousins or uncles have used it for big game.

all these assumptions of people abusing the system are stupid... because it doesnt matter what race you are your going to do it. how many of you have fished without a licence??? probably everyone on the site at least once. well there you go ur cheating conservation. the list can go on and on.

this page wasnt started by pipes to ***** about anything. it was started because he was excited to be acknowledged as a metis harvester. him like most people are going to follow rules and most people have common sense not to kill everything that walks or next year you'll be selling your guns. like i said yes there will be some people abusing this system but face it, every race has those people who are poaching or not releasing fish they should.

people need to stop pointing fingers and fighting... thats the problem with this world.. everyone *****es about everyone else. live ur life and dont worry bout what everyone else is doing.

ok END OF RANT #2 lol

[7mm-08]

I find with a already fragile deer and moose herd and a scarce elk herd,The allowing of more benefited hunters to harvest from an already depleting big game population.......Is pretty piss poor timing,on the part of the Mb. Gov't imo,....Should I expect any less of the NDP,Probably not.
Fwiw,Most families should be able to live off a couple deer a year and a moose or elk every 2nd year.Myself and both daughters are metis I could not picture or fathom harvesting 6 deer,3 moose,3 elk,3 caribou,3 bear and 150lbs of fish on a yearly basis.......Although I believe there will be more than a couple who will abuse these privileges.
If you think this isn't going to have an ill effect on Manitoba big game and fish...Your disrespect for the conservation and well being off these species has slid off the wayside!!!!!!!

[SwitchAssault800]

Originally Posted by LeCaptain

You sir, are part of the reason that racism runs rampant in this country.

if you gonna play the racism card, then so will I.

What is racism? Discrimination against a race.

What is discrimination? "Treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs"

Therefore, allowing one group of people more privileges and rights, is discriminating towards the other races. Hence, racism against anyone not of Native American descent.

If white people had these rights, and privileges, there would be riots.

same thing as black pride month. if there was a white pride month, holy hell look out.