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Old 01-04-2017, 04:58 PM
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Pellet stove to heat garage...good idea or not?

Well the electric unit heater I bought is keeping my 24x30 well insulated shop/garage at about 0c and that's fine but I would like a way to keep the electric as freeze protection and bump the heat up to 10-15c for working (wood).
The neighbor uses a propane unit heater but suggested I look into a pellet stove as it might be cheaper to buy and run.
I would like to maintain about 5c or warmer as a bottom end (I do have the electric heater to hold it a 0c if needed) and be able to bump the temp up for a day or more. Once warm the shop stays warm for a few days (R60 ceiling, R20 walls, doors have insulated (R20 carriage doors I/F/O as do the windows so its a well insulated and air sealed shell).
I will be adding 4" of foam vertically down the slab edges (4ft down) in the spring as well.

Is a pellet stove the answer...if so which one..

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ps; I CAN'T heat exclusivity with electric due the insane price of electricity in NWO
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Just wondering if you are using a down draft fan/s to ensure the heat distribution is as equal as it can be and not stratifying in the ceiling area ?
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How many watt heater are you using? I have a 6000w pro point heater from princess auto and in this cold snap were in right now it's keeping my 26x34 garage with 10' ceiling in between 15-18 degrees no problem. I thought about pellet stoves before but the unit is super pricey and I heard it's about $5 a day to heat continuous with it. I'd go with one of thoes overhead propane/natural gas burners if anything
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Old 01-04-2017, 08:43 PM
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I'm using a 5kw heater! While it can get the shop to 15 there is no way I can afford it in Kenora.. I use it to keep it just above freezing and bump it up to about 10 when I'm working.. indeed something more affordable than straight electric and want it warmer
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I am in Echo Bay and have been heating my cottage since 1999 with a Kozi Baywin pellet stove. It has been on steady since Dec 27. A friend of mine from Manitoba recently installed one in his house and his shop that he used to heat with electricity and is saving a bundle, (in Manitoba).
I cannot recommend any one brand over the other but my stove is 45,000 btu depending on fuel. Most are similar. That is approximately 3 times more then a 5000W heater.

http://www.kozistoves.com/Product/BaywinPelletSeries/

My stove is old and very manual. both the feed and fan control are a manual dial. Combustion air is by a rod on the left side. New stoves are more automatic. My stove only takes 160 W to run when not using the electric start. Ceiling fan, running full in reverse, is a must to circulate heat.
I have an extra hopper that holds 3 bags total which will give me 5 days at 0C and 3 days at -25C

I did a comparison on my electric bills in Winnipeg and In Echo Bay and Manitobans don't know how good they have it. All in, my Winnipeg bill was $.11/KWh. I just took my total $ and divided by how many KWh's I used. Echo Bay is $.27/KWh. Almost 3 times as much.
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$5.00 a day would keep your shop very warm, probably around 20,000 BTU. I think my runtime at max fuel (45,000 btu) is 9 hours on one bag.

In comparison a 6000W (20,000 btu) heater running in Ontario would cost you $1.62/hr, $39/day or $1,166 a month if running all the time.
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A friend of mine uses one to heat his shop. I really don't know what it takes to heat his shop. plus he has one in an addition to his house. It was warm when I was at his shop and sitting in his addition that was 90% glass.
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I am in Echo Bay and have been heating my cottage since 1999 with a Kozi Baywin pellet stove. It has been on steady since Dec 27. A friend of mine from Manitoba recently installed one in his house and his shop that he used to heat with electricity and is saving a bundle, (in Manitoba).
I cannot recommend any one brand over the other but my stove is 45,000 btu depending on fuel. Most are similar. That is approximately 3 times more then a 5000W heater.

http://www.kozistoves.com/Product/BaywinPelletSeries/

My stove is old and very manual. both the feed and fan control are a manual dial. Combustion air is by a rod on the left side. New stoves are more automatic. My stove only takes 160 W to run when not using the electric start. Ceiling fan, running full in reverse, is a must to circulate heat.
I have an extra hopper that holds 3 bags total which will give me 5 days at 0C and 3 days at -25C

I did a comparison on my electric bills in Winnipeg and In Echo Bay and Manitobans don't know how good they have it. All in, my Winnipeg bill was $.11/KWh. I just took my total $ and divided by how many KWh's I used. Echo Bay is $.27/KWh. Almost 3 times as much.
Oh, believe me, some of us know how good we have it !!
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How does insurance view a pellet stove in a attached garage?
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Stupid question here,but do pelet stoves need the piping like a wood stove??? Every pic I see of a pelet stove,it appears to be a self contained unit
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They are vented , and don't use a chimney. About a bag of pellets a day would heat the average house. Depending on quantity purchased, most buy them by the ton.
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How many lb's in a bag or are their different size bags?
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How many lb's in a bag or are their different size bags?
40 pounds . But may come in different sizes than that.
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definitely check with your insurance company. They get nervous due to the potential for gasoline spillage when a cold vehicle with a full tank is brought into a heated garage.
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By definition a garage is for doing just that. But you never know.
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its the open flame combustion source near the floor level they could get exited about..I know my insurance company wants a $150 premium to have a pellet stove in the house..
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Wood burning appliances have to have their combustion chamber 18" off the ground when installed in a garage because of gasoline fumes, and if it's a garage you can drive in you need some kind of crash barrier in front of the stove.
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The CSA B365 “Installation Code for Solid-Fuel-Burning Appliances and Equipment” states;

4.3 Hazardous Locations

An appliance shall not be installed in a location where a corrosive atmosphere, flammable gas or vapour, combustible dust, or combustible fibres might be present. An appliance may be installed in a

(a) storage or residential garage, provided that the appliance is mounted at least 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level and protected against physical damage; or

(b) commercial repair garage or other facility used for the maintenance of equipment that might involve volatile flammable substances, provided that

(i) the appliance is located in a room that is separated from the remainder of the building by a vapour-tight fire separation;

(ii) the room specified in item (i) is not directly accessible from the location of the volatile substances; and

(iii) all duct penetrations of the vapour-tight fire separation are located at least 2 m (6.5 ft) above the floor level.


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Any experiance with the KOZI brand... I dropped into their office, salesroom, factory at Waverley/McGillivray... seems pretty nice and the one with the 120 lb hopper is $1495
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Like I said before I have a Kozi and it has been great for 18 years now, All I had to replace was the auger motor, bought it from the plant you were at for $150. Very convenient. That was probably my fault as I was trying a modified sine wave inverter and variable speed electric motors do not like modified sine wave. I have a pure sine wave for power failures now.

The new ones are more automatic now with a board numbering 1-5, at least that is the one my friend bought for his shop. And they have an ash drawer, I do not.
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