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Has there been a problem with ATV's on snoman trails this winter?

Sledders, PLEASE stop whining about problems that dont exist!
Every year there are problems with ATVs. Trespassing on private land, damaged trails, lack of awareness of rules... it happens every year across the province.

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They very much do show respect. Its funny how in Manitoba snowmobilers are the biggest whiners in the OHV world but in other provinces they all know they have to get a long otherwise you get what's happening in Alberta with the big showdown between the NDP and tree huggers and the OHV crowd.
Sledders in Manitoba are organized and prepared to deal with Conservation and the government. ATVers are not. This is not whining... this is called lobbying.

ATVs damage trails for all other parties, and the damage lasts all year, for years and or decades. The bans in Mars Hill, areas of the Ducks, and other provincial parks prove this is a concern to all other outdoor groups. Read through the DMPP ATV trail meeting data if you need to see all of the groups affected by trail damage. I sat through the meetings.
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Every year there are problems with ATVs. Trespassing on private land, damaged trails, lack of awareness of rules... it happens every year across the province.



Sledders in Manitoba are organized and prepared to deal with Conservation and the government. ATVers are not. This is not whining... this is called lobbying.

ATVs damage trails for all other parties, and the damage lasts all year, for years and or decades. The bans in Mars Hill, areas of the Ducks, and other provincial parks prove this is a concern to all other outdoor groups. Read through the DMPP ATV trail meeting data if you need to see all of the groups affected by trail damage. I sat through the meetings.
Not starting a argument with you about ATV trespassing and such but I seen a lot of sleds this winter with orange plates off the beaten trail on farmers fields into people private non trail land without permission to be there not respecting rules and such it happens in both sports ATV and sledding there non respecting people in both sports unfortunately and I have quads and I have sledds with the orange plates I do try and respect both sides of the sport and follow rules it people that use these machines that are to blame not the sport they are in
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Not starting a argument with you about ATV trespassing...
There is no argument. A question was asked about ATV issues this year, and my answer was given. There have been issues in the province with ATVs trespassing on private land while following a Snoman trail. End of story.

Any thoughts on other groups trespassing is deflection of the issue above. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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So Mr Snowman came by my house on a quad today and picked up all the trail signs. I noticed on the snowman site a lot of the trails are closed now.

Save the reply with private land a no go, I know that, but crown land I think is good to go now on a ATV? Or still a di@k move.
I was thinking the exact same thing.... I would like to keep sledding, but it don't look good for us. It's a great question with no clear answers.

Snow and ice are like concrete, low snow conditions, open or thin ice. Lets face it, Not looking good for sleds right now. 9cm in the next 14 days, thats not alot. Sun is out alot more, and evaporation will be more and more in effect.

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good example... itp trail unusable for sleds one year, but.... we cant... sad
Never been on the ITP, but if sleds can't use it it would be nice if atv's could. Could this be about preservation for future riders?

I'm just thinking if its about dates, maybe the ITP has it closed, so the frost can come out, and be able to take atv traffic without causing any serious damage?

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taking stakes out as the snow isn't holding them up anymore. There will be more snow coming and then the clubs will put the signage back. "Expecting" 10cm or so on the 4th so if that hits and then another accumulative amount the week after, the trails will be open again.

March could be the month for sledding!
I hope you are right! Do you think another 10cm is enough? Are the operators gonna run on 10cm with all the frozen stuff underneath? Swamps, thin ice?

Sounds like it would really be hard on the equipment, or dangerous?


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Trails are so hard no damage will be done by tires anyways. Go for a rip
I'm thinking you could be right, but for a rip no. For a ride yeah.

My buddy visited me on the Vic Beach Poker derby with his Raptor. As a sledder and a quadder I get both side of the coin. He left no marks, and had lots of flotation on the trail.

He wasn't balls out rippin it either. Gentle on the clutch, easy on the throttle, I could not tell that he rode his atv here and back to his place at all..

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Never been on the ITP, but if sleds can't use it it would be nice if atv's could. Could this be about preservation for future riders?

I'm just thinking if its about dates, maybe the ITP has it closed, so the frost can come out, and be able to take atv traffic without causing any serious damage?

Just a thought.

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The IPT is open to ATV traffic from May 1 - October 31. Not just this year but every year.

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New terminology is on the books for Snoman to clear up the "trails closed" argument. There are trails closed for safety reasons, trails closed for poor conditions, and then trails closed for season.

Keep pushing the envelope and it'll may come back to bite you, i.e. Trails closed to ATVs permanently. ATVers need sledders as an ally more than sledders needing help from the ATV community.
This is a awesome piece of news! It would be nice to have more information, and then be able to make an education decision on riding a machine, and know which one to take.

I do disagree with you about quadders needing sledders more. I believe that both groups (all actually) require each other equally. I'll touch on this in the post about Mars.

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trails are closed, but they are still snoman trails and with more snow they may be able to groom. Now if they are rutted up by wheels they may not be groom able. Can we not stay off the few snoman trails until the actual season is over. After all the only reason wheels want to ride them is they were groomed and easily passable. Stick to the vast array of non snoman trails for a few more weeks already.
Just an opinion from someone who doesn't own a sled.
Makes sense, a very respectable approach. That is the right way of looking at it. Thanks for this from my snowmobile side!

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With all due respect. I have seen trails cleaned up that were chewed to hell by sleds after a derby... That is probably worse than what a quad could ever do to them in this weather. So to say they would be ungroomable is very far fetched.
Sorry man but that just totally pushed me over the edge. Again I agree with leaving the sledders to their trails for the little time they get to use them. But Jesus Christ some people need to get real and not Thier panties all in a bunch!!!!
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Went for a QUAD ride today on the trail and off. If wasn't for the fresh snow u wouldn't tell we're the tire marks r. It's as hard as a rock. Sled trails r done


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I don't why some guys can't wait a few more weeks.. you have these trails 9 months of the year. Cool your fawking jets and show some fawking respect already
We can, and a great majority here are and do. The jets are cool, and lots are showing respect.

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Give your head a fricken shake the ditches here r all full off water some places Rd top level. Got lots of respect unless u got a hover craft. Sleds ain't going no where. Had a friend get hurt last week skis went under water. Broke one leg in two places. Give shit good luck!!!!!!


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They are full of water, never tried a hovercraft, but after watching top gear, those things are out of control at the best of times, lol.

Sorry to hear about your friend, yikes not cool! Hope for him to have a speedy recover, 2 places, ouch thats gotta hurt. Hope his machine is ok. Its rough out there right now.

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Give your head a shake.....we don't need retards with 1000cc units with 30 inch outlaws destroying shit until the season is officially done.. and you atv guys wonder why there's a rift between the groups . It could snow in the next week and maybe trails could get groomed? This sort of shit is exactly what makes the atv community look like a bunch of douche bags
I shook my head. We don't need that until the season is officially done. Lots of riders go on the Snowman trail site looking for that information. With no solid info, we all have to assume for ourselves, open or closed. Ride sleds, or pull out the quads.

This sort of shit happens when we don't know all the facts!



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We can, and a great majority here are and do. The jets are cool, and lots are showing respect.

Again and again I say we riders (of all machines) are a passionate bunch!

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Well said I agree . Most here are real cool about it and a few don't seem to care.
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lol if it snowed next week and was groomed than wouldn't that fill in the ruts from those 1000cc machines?

Trails by my place are pretty much bare ground where the groomed trail was.
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